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sccavette · #16 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kendallcschm

i agree... spraying is for little weenies with crappy engines

I think there are some guys on here with 10 second cars that would disagree with you!

apolloGT · #17 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sccavette

I think there are some guys on here with 10 second cars that would disagree with you!

true.. nitrous is actually somewhat hilarious.. and you do need a decent engine to be able to handle it. Having said that, I kind of look at it as cheating, because it's not always there

kendallcschm · #18 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by apolloGT

true.. nitrous is actually somewhat hilarious.. and you do need a decent engine to be able to handle it. Having said that, I kind of look at it as cheating, because it's not always there

i agree ... it is cheating

sccavette · #19 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kendallcschm

i agree ... it is cheating

CHEATING??

Can you show me this rule in the street racing rule book? I am not sure how it is cheating!

House · #20 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 09:44 PM

I like it to lite my turbo! or turbo lag is fun you think you got me till it lites

apolloGT · #21 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sccavette

CHEATING??

Can you show me this rule in the street racing rule book? I am not sure how it is cheating!

haha.. there's no rule.. more so a gentleman's agreement. If the power isn't always on tap, it's not really fair. It's like using race gas in a street race... it doesnt really make it a street race then does it?

sccavette · #22 (**permalink**) 02-11-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by apolloGT

haha.. there's no rule.. more so a gentleman's agreement. If the power isn't always on tap, it's not really fair. It's like using race gas in a street race... it doesnt really make it a street race then does it?

UHH

You have never been any a real street race have you? I would say a majority of the high HP cars running around on the street are running race fuel or a mixture. I could name 5 on this site alone plus myself.

I have never had a "gentlemans agreement" in a street race. I have hid NOS lines and solenoids and lied when asked if I had spray.

NOS is a power adder the same as a cam or head work. It is actually the best $ for HP you can buy. As for running out that does not hold water, you can run multiple bottles if needed however it is rare you will empty a bottle in a single night of street racing. You will get about 20 street races from a 10 LB bottle.

Goat1966 · #23 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by apolloGT

haha.. there's no rule.. more so a gentleman's agreement. If the power isn't always on tap, it's not really fair. It's like using race gas in a street race... it doesnt really make it a street race then does it?

I would say that depends on if you are on the street or not? If you are on the street, then it is a street race, if you are on a dragstrip then it is not!! And most cars running race gas on the street aren't doing it because they think it makes their car faster, they are doing it because the engine would detonate and destroy itself without it....probably due to the so called non cheating performance adders like aftermarket heads, and turbos or superchargers that up compression!! Oh and right now my turbo is setting on my workbench beside my car so does that mean it is cheating when I use it since it is not always on tap?

mesarius · #24 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:04 AM

NOS is only "cheating" when the person you're racing loses when you walk past them and are a sore loser. To me NOS is on the same level as race gas and forced induction, it's fair game if your car can handle it and you're willing to take the risk of blowing something up. It's a cheap power adder that, like anything else, requires a good tune and solid parts to handle

apolloGT · #25 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by sccavette

UHH

You have never been any a real street race have you? I would say a majority of the high HP cars running around on the street are running race fuel or a mixture. I could name 5 on this site alone plus myself.

I have never had a "gentlemans agreement" in a street race. I have hid NOS lines and solenoids and lied when asked if I had spray.

NOS is a power adder the same as a cam or head work. It is actually the best $ for HP you can buy. As for running out that does not hold water, you can run multiple bottles if needed however it is rare you will empty a bottle in a single night of street racing. You will get about 20 street races from a 10 LB bottle.

Not an organized race no.. that would be horrible to get caught. Race fuel is kind well, just that. If your car can't run off of 93 octane, it shouldn't be on the street at all. I understand that Nitrous is a power adder, I know how it works, and I also was not aware of the length that one bottle lasts. Having said that, all the really impressive cars I've seen make the serious power on 93 octane, no nitrous. Maybe it's me, but nitrous needs to be refilled... boost from turbochargers and superchargers doesn't. You could argue you need gasoline to run a car, yes, but you don't need nitrous to run a car, therefore making it somewhat unnecessary.

apolloGT · #26 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Goat1966

I would say that depends on if you are on the street or not? If you are on the street, then it is a street race, if you are on a dragstrip then it is not!! And most cars running race gas on the street aren't doing it because they think it makes their car faster, they are doing it because the engine would detonate and destroy itself without it....probably due to the so called non cheating performance adders like aftermarket heads, and turbos or superchargers that up compression!! Oh and right now my turbo is setting on my workbench beside my car so does that mean it is cheating when I use it since it is not always on tap?

On the dragstrip, I get it, it's a drag car.. sometimes 800hp+ isnt enough. I understand high compression ratios etc, but just looking at ridiculous twin turbo vettes, cobras etc that run over 800rwhp without race gas or nitrous.

To me, it's almost like driving around on illegal drag radials. I dont have a problem with it, I'd just rather source my power from boost and straight engine power (on the street). If I lost to someone who had a 150 shot, I'd want another run without nitrous.

sccavette · #27 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by apolloGT

Not an organized race no.. that would be horrible to get caught. Race fuel is kind well, just that. If your car can't run off of 93 octane, it shouldn't be on the street at all. I understand that Nitrous is a power adder, I know how it works, and I also was not aware of the length that one bottle lasts. Having said that, all the really impressive cars I've seen make the serious power on 93 octane, no nitrous. Maybe it's me, but nitrous needs to be refilled... boost from turbochargers and superchargers doesn't. You could argue you need gasoline to run a car, yes, but you don't need nitrous to run a car, therefore making it somewhat unnecessary.

I guess the first question is what are you considering a real impressive car? Have you ever rode in a car that has a GOOD nitrous system?

You will never get good HP numbers out of a engine on 93 octane without forced air (supercharger or Turbo) however with forced air you still need high octane to get good numbers because you are raising the compression ratio with the boost. We have pumps around here that you can buy 100 octane fuel, would this be cheating? The difference between 93 octane and 100 actane is 10 lbs more boost in a Grand national. A turbo car can get away with around 15 lbs of boost on 93 octane and a SC car can get away with 5 or maybe 7 LBS. I can get 26 LBS of boost out of a stock turbo GN by just adding racing fuel and adjucting the waist gate and not get any knock out of it. In Theory a SC or Turbo are doing the same thing as NOS, adding air. The only difference is instead of forcing air you are using a chemical.

A stock small block ford or chevy will hold 150HP shot of NOS with NO engine mods except for retarding the timing (this does not need done if running race fuel) and last for ever with no excessive wear on the motor.

sccavette · #28 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by apolloGT

On the dragstrip, I get it, it's a drag car.. sometimes 800hp+ isnt enough. I understand high compression ratios etc, but just looking at ridiculous twin turbo vettes, cobras etc that run over 800rwhp without race gas or nitrous.

There are very few cars running around making 800+ HP on pump gas. Yes it can and has been done BUT in reality the cost it takes to do it is not feasable. It is like the Spruce Goose that Hughes built, he wanted to prove that it could be built and fly and he did it BUT at what cost.

To me, it's almost like driving around on illegal drag radials. I dont have a problem with it, I'd just rather source my power from boost and straight engine power (on the street). If I lost to someone who had a 150 shot, I'd want another run without nitrous.

Most Drag radials are DOT legal and the same as any other street tire except the compound. If you get in a real street race, expecially if money is involved, you will get one race and most likely you will have no idea the other car had nitrous ontil it goes trucking past you. Street racing is nothing like you see on Pinks. LOL

House · #29 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 02:17 AM

whats a street race?

apolloGT · #30 (**permalink**) 02-12-2009, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sccavette

I guess the first question is what are you considering a real impressive car? Have you ever rode in a car that has a GOOD nitrous system?

You will never get good HP numbers out of a engine on 93 octane without forced air (supercharger or Turbo) however with forced air you still need high octane to get good numbers because you are raising the compression ratio with the boost. We have pumps around here that you can buy 100 octane fuel, would this be cheating? The difference between 93 octane and 100 actane is 10 lbs more boost in a Grand national. A turbo car can get away with around 15 lbs of boost on 93 octane and a SC car can get away with 5 or maybe 7 LBS. I can get 26 LBS of boost out of a stock turbo GN by just adding racing fuel and adjucting the waist gate and not get any knock out of it. In Theory a SC or Turbo are doing the same thing as NOS, adding air. The only difference is instead of forcing air you are using a chemical.

A stock small block ford or chevy will hold 150HP shot of NOS with NO engine mods except for retarding the timing (this does not need done if running race fuel) and last for ever with no excessive wear on the motor.

I've never ridden with nitrous at all. You're kind of convincing me that it might be hilarious to have a 100 or 150 shot around...

I will argue that you can make more boost that 7psi on 93 octane with an S/C. I know lots of guys that are running 17-23psi on 93 octane. Plus, I'm unaware of any local pumps here with anything higher than 93. Nitrous is making your internal combustion go like mad.. isn't that different than any sort of air induction?