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Old 11-24-2008, 08:45 AM
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Default Nissan GTR to loose "launch control" feature.

Seems Nissan is removing the launch control feature from the GTR for next year. Guess they are tired of all the lawsuits over transmissions being blown up.
Now maybe we will see what the real performance numbers are for the car.

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Old 11-24-2008, 08:34 PM
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That's probably for the best. It wasn't fair to begin with for Nissan to add a feature, advertise vehicle stats with that feature enabled, and then write in the fine print that if you were to use it your warranty is voided. That's what one would call a dick move in Nissan's part. I was personally hoping they would instead beef up the gearbox or extend the warranty, but I guess this is the cheapest move. The GTR is just no longer going to be the beast it was advertised to be (not that you could have a beast and a warranty too anyway).

I think I'll wait until the GTR34 is grandfathered through customs in another 15 years.
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Old 11-24-2008, 08:57 PM
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I agree that this is in Nissan's best interest. The GTR is a really cool car, but I think as we see this play out.. we can conclude it does not match up to the ZR1. The ZR1 bested the GTR's lap time of 7:29 by 7 seconds, which the GTR lap time has yet to be replicated or beat (by a GTR of course). Also, if you look at that 4 part drag race.. you'll see the ZR1 beats the GTR, 911 GT2, and the 599 GTB.

Back on topic, it seems all the hype about the GTR is over. Yeah it won car of the year for motor trend, but I guess people have been a little disappointed on it's overall competitiveness?
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I agree that this is in Nissan's best interest. The GTR is a really cool car, but I think as we see this play out.. we can conclude it does not match up to the ZR1. The ZR1 bested the GTR's lap time of 7:29 by 7 seconds, which the GTR lap time has yet to be replicated or beat (by a GTR of course). Also, if you look at that 4 part drag race.. you'll see the ZR1 beats the GTR, 911 GT2, and the 599 GTB.

Back on topic, it seems all the hype about the GTR is over. Yeah it won car of the year for motor trend, but I guess people have been a little disappointed on it's overall competitiveness?
That is a understatement. Most of the owners that have blown up trans are talking about a lawsuit against Nissan.
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I'd sue Nissan too if they were saying I could see 0-60 in less than 4 seconds and that I'd have lauch control (which was one of the selling features of the car). It's bad business practice to advertise a feature, acceleration figures with that feature enabled, but void the warranty if that feature is used.
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I thought launch control was a hidden feature, only revealed by Top Gear and other car reviewers that found out about it or am i thinking of another car?

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I thought that was the 599GTB
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I thought launch control was a hidden feature, only revealed by Top Gear and other car reviewers that found out about it or am i thinking of another car?

You are correct it is a hidden program in the computer not a button on the dash. When you activate the LC is shuts off the traction control. If you break the trans with the traction off you have voided the warrenty. the problem is the car will not get the performance numbers they claim without turning traction control off and using LC.

The LC was shown to the mags when they tested it.
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Here's a recent post on autoblog on the subject:

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The Nissan GT-R is slap-your-mama fast, which has led to some dustup on the internet surrounding voided warranties when using the included Launch Control. Contrary to a previous report that Nissan intends to drop Launch Control from the 2010 GT-R, Motor Trend's blog is reporting that no decision has been made yet and we've heard the same thing from Nissan itself. The bigger point that MT goes on to make is that even without Launch Control, the GT-R is still brutally fast. When the magazine got its first crack at the R35, testers did an acceleration run just for giggles with all the electronics aids active except for Launch Control. The result? 3.9 seconds to 60 mph by just mashing the skinny pedal all the way down. That's enough speed to keep the GT-R running in the same pack with which it's already been lumped, and with the computers doing the work, there's no risk of stalling at launch and getting smoked by a '93 Duster. So what've we learned? Without risking a $20,000 transmission replacement, the GT-R is still a rocket.
Nissan GT-R will do 3.9-second 0-60 without Launch Control - Autoblog

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Here's a recent post on autoblog on the subject:



Nissan GT-R will do 3.9-second 0-60 without Launch Control - Autoblog


LOLOL Yea that is also one of the things they were calling out on the GTR forum I was on. The cars that were sent to the mags were ringers. They accused Nissan of sending the mags some tuned cars to test so they would get good reviews. They also instructed all the mags they were not to put the cars on a dyno The mags went back and tested some "production" cars and did admit they did not feel as fast as the first cars they tested.
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3.9 is still wicked fast...

but the Z06 can do 3.7.. car and driver pulled a 3.5 in one..

hmm. Well, we'll see how this all shakes out I suppose. I really wanna see a race between a GTR (no LC) and a Z06. The GTR would probably win on a curvy track, but I bet a lot of owners will be disappointed if a Z06 shows up next to them at a stop light.
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3.9 is still wicked fast...

but the Z06 can do 3.7.. car and driver pulled a 3.5 in one..

hmm. Well, we'll see how this all shakes out I suppose. I really wanna see a race between a GTR (no LC) and a Z06. The GTR would probably win on a curvy track, but I bet a lot of owners will be disappointed if a Z06 shows up next to them at a stop light.

That is just it, the "production" (customer owned stock cars) are not getting these numbers without LC. The production car is in the low to mid 4 sec range (traction factored in) and almost 1 full second (8 tenths give or take) slower in the 1/4 mile without using LC do to the decrease in the 60 foot time.

This has all been discussed in the GTR forum in many many threads and post. The owners who purchased these cars for the performance are not getting what they paid for and if they do (using LC) get the numbers and the car breaks they have NO warrenty. At the end of the day the car was marketed as a top performer that was going to take on the ZR-1, Porsche, Viper, etc and is not capable of doing it without taking a chance of a very costly repair.

I agree the car runs very well for a factory produced performance car and some of the electronics in it is really amazing. The thing is what good is all of it of you are scared to use it because it will break. Then if it does break Nissan will not back the warrenty. The Z06 is less money, cheaper operating and repair cost and if it tells you in the OWNERS MANUAL how to set the car up for track use, not if you race it you are screwed. Even if the GTR was 2 seconds faster 0-60 than a Porsche or Z06, if it blows the transmission the other car is the winner.

I was at the Corvette Funfest this year and 3 GM engineers were giving rides in the new ZR-1's. They were doing FULL THROTTLE launches and runs up to 100MPH before letting out on EACH ride. They did this time after time for 2 full days and none of the 3 cars they were using had any failure except for excessive tire wear. This is what you should expect from a 80-100K performance car.
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