for me and my family at least

ok so we are looking at a 2005 Kia Sedona and I was wondering if you guys/gals had any input. ya know if they are crap or a good van

please reply I need your input

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Personally I would stay away from Korean vehicles just yet. In the last year they have been getting a lot better, but the older they get the the more problems frequent them. I would highly, highly recommend looking up the JD Power ratings as well as Consumer Reports and Edmunds to get an idea of what the frequent issues are, you can never do too much homework when shopping for a vehicle. While you're at it if your family is really serious about buying the car, run an appraisal on the vehicle to the exact specs of the one you are looking at through Kelly blue book, edmunds, and check the NADA book value and bring that paperwork in just in case you need to haggle a price. I knocked $2000 off the initial asking price on my Chevy that way.

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they are crap.... they break easily.. my mom rented one and at age 10 i ripped off the interior handle... my mom checked them out and they got ok mileage.. do not buy... they are cheap crap made by koreans .....

I highly recommend any SATURN.....better than honda and kia.

If you are buying the car used. Please ask the owner for a service record of the car. This will ensure the car was well care for and it will be easier for you to own the car. small engine require frequent servicing since they work harder than any other engine.

good luck

I would have to agree with Mesarius. Korean is not the same as Japanese. The Koreans have a lot of work to do before making a quality car. That's why the price is so cheap. As far as Saturn is concerned, I would stay away from them too. They have the most electrical problems I've seen from any manufacturer. I hate to say it, but as far as getting the most for what you paid for, You have a much better chance with something from Honda, Toyota or Mitsubishi. I'm still not so sure about Suzuki, either.

You have worst chance with something from Honda, Toyota or Mitsubishi. I'm still not so sure about Suzuki, either.

If you look at the 4 cylinder engine you will notice the famous TIMING BELT (RUBBER/CONDOM) most of the car above use a hydraulic timing belt tension , which are famous for leaking oil onto the timing belt (rubber) and causing breakage and major engine damage. The Honda h22 and vtec feature a hydraulic tension so does Mitsubishi.

I own a 97 saturn with 240,000 miles (factory engine and trans)Lots of NYC stop and go driving. the engine is a original 1.9 liter SOHC and NEVER has electrical problem. He must be taking about FORDS. Also timing belt replacement can be a costly maintain ($500+). If its not done right, the engine will get ruin (bend valves).

A timing chain like Saturn/GM use is a way better choice. Honda/Toyota and Mitsubishi are stupid/complex engineering to keep the owner out from under the hood.

Why would anyone want to replace a RUBBER timing belt every 60,000 miles when you can drive a Saturn for 200,000+ mile with no $500+ timing belt replacement?. A Saturn offer BETTER gas millage, because it GM efi technology. the same technology Honda and Toyota buys/share with GM.

BUT you should still buy a import, If you like problem with used/abuse import cars.

GOOD LUCK

Buy American.

My family and I rented one of these in california, and it worked well and all that, but it was poorly designed. The back window rattled like it was its job, and I just thought the overall controls of the back seat were awkward.

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You got lucky with that Saturn. Out of the 13 people I know that have owned them, 2 have started fires under the hood, 3 have needed the emu's reprogrammed (2 of those multiple times), 2 developed shorts(not to include the fire starters), 1 kept eating alternators and 1broke the timing chain at 113,000 mi. Not to mention the fact that the automotive wiring shop that my uncle works for gets about 30% of their business from Saturn vehicles. And you're missing the point. Every car today is made to be complex enough to keep the owner out from under the hood. We don't live in the 50's anymore. the latest technology is not a toaster oven. Why would cars be any different? The fact is that every single car from a major manufacturer, whether foreign or domestic, is now made to fail as soon as possible and require special tools and knowledge to repair so that you must take it to the dealership to have anything fixed. In this case, it is best to choose a vehicle on a track record of longevity vs mechanical failures. Sorry you haven't already figured this out, but Saturn, as a whole, does not have the best stats in this category.

HELLO OBAMA VOTER:
Cars are not human. so it is fair to say, Cars go bad because of human error and carelessness. The only reason a fire will start, is UN-Qualify repair work. Today everybody is a automotive tech and yet most of they buy a lemon.

Only the communist car maker will sell you a poor quality product, so you keep spending cash like it insurance policy.
The import cars use a cheaper (thinner gauge) wire when compare to American. Don`t forget if you buy a import car after 9/11. Your NEW car is made with World Trade Center Steel....So let us know if you smell the dead body's...

Yea, your import car is a driving grave yard....LOL. no wonder more people are dieing in cars than before. Could it be, the steel was weaken by 2000+ degree heat?. MADE IN CHINA WITH WTC STEEL.


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Ship to build communist car?

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How many cars can 200,000,000 tons of steel build?.

Dailymotion - Ironworkers Describe WTC Steel Anomalies, a video from BadKitty. 9/11, 9-11, 911, wtc, war

Once again, this is getting off topic and pointless. To prove a point : IIHS-HLDI: Midsize moderately priced cars - Current Models

Notice that 5 out of the 6 top safety pics are import cars...

Back on subject, I would advise against an '05 Kia. It's true that Kia is now making a decent product, but earlier models were plagued with poor quality and poor reliability. I think it's too much of a gamble. When it comes to reliability ratings, the Toyota Sienna and Honda Odyssey are on top.

Haha I agree.. if anything MY69GOAT sounds rather conservative, however, I did get a laugh out of that. I really am not a fan of Japanese imports, although I will admit they probably have the best minivans. Despite that, they are higher priced. I'd recommend getting a Dodge Grand Caravan or a Chrysler Town & Country. In my opinion, the best domestic minivans, and you can get them pretty cheap too.

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2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra
4.6L DOHC V8 - 6 speed manual
520rwhp - 525rwtq at 16psi on stock blower
2002 Ford Mustang GT
4.6L V8 - 5 speed manual

I'd be a little nervous about a Kia aswell.

Here is an alternative idea that I haven't seen mentioned yet:



It is probably what I would get if I was in the market for a van. Well, any 70's styled custom van. One with side pipes and a huge airbrushed mural on the sides of a scantily clad woman riding a dragon through a gothic mountain scene... wall to wall shag carpet and some teardrop shaped bubble windows would be really nice too.

Better fix that link, now I really want to see this van. Sounds like a "Shaggin' Wagon"

YEA, another Government funded puppets To help push the import product/market/economy. White collar work telling you about automotive safety... . Since the IIHS has been around, did they help reduce your insurance premium or highway safety ?...now they are tell you about car safety.....

Don`t listen to me, i`m just a one man team. and i know whats best for me since i`m a automotive tech.

Consumer Reports and other liberal press loves Japanese imports... just thought I'd throw that in.

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2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra
4.6L DOHC V8 - 6 speed manual
520rwhp - 525rwtq at 16psi on stock blower
2002 Ford Mustang GT
4.6L V8 - 5 speed manual